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Combo kratom

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Abaac 
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Bonjour,
J'apprécie beaucoup le kratom et également de me boire une petite biere en fin de trip. (Attention il faut la boire tres tres doucement car meme 1/10 eme de biere à 5% Ca tappe ultra fort sous kratom)
Donc je me posais des questions par rapport à la toxicité de ce mélange.
Et éventuellement  avoir dès retour des autres mélange!
À vos claviers !

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Kratom And Alcohol (2019 Guide) by jerry

When you decide to introduce anything new into your lifestyle, it is important to learn as much as you can about it before doing so. The same applies to Kratom. Educating yourself as to what it is, what it does, about any contradiction, and how it can interact with other drugs, is essential so that you can ensure your own safety. You do not want to suffer an adverse reaction that could have easily been avoided.

This article aims to inform you about combining different dosages of Kratom with alcohol.

Kratom is more commonly used for recreational purposes, and therefore, it is a very frequently asked question as to whether it can be combined with alcohol, leading to many heated debates. To cut a very long story short, it is unknown as to whether mixing Kratom with alcohol is safe or not. It has been reported that some people use Kratom to overcome alcohol withdrawal but drink at the same time as using pure Kratom. It seems that the result of using Kratom in this way is that they want or need to drink alcohol is drastically reduced.

For recreational drinkers, using Kratom before drinking makes a significant difference as it results in them reducing the amount of consumed alcohol which means that they are able to consume less alcoholic calories, spend less money and even assist their health. Despite there being seemingly multiple benefits to Kratom capsules use in conjunction with alcohol, anyone in this position should still proceed with caution because alcohol is a known depressant and Kratom can either sedate or stimulate, depending on the user.

Studies have shown that when alcohol is mixed with opioids, like hydrocodone, it creates a very powerful sedative. But there is no evidence to show that this is the case when alcohol is combined with Kratom. This may be due to the fact that Kratom remains a lesser researched drug due to its newness. Therefore, we are only provided with very specific individual scenarios by means of a forum.
User Experience Forum

Reviews inserted within the user experience forum in relation to using Kratom and consuming alcohol give an impressively wide range of results, as every participants’ effects vary. For some of the users, they think the alcohol they consumed was to blame for any side effects or adverse reaction encountered, whereas others blame the Kratom.

Multiple user experience forums of a more official nature have reported that the mixing of alcohol and Kratom is a risky and health damaging combination.

The user experience forums do not seem to educate us as to what a safe or effective dosage combination would be, which is why the opinions vary so greatly.
Low Dose Alcohol-Kratom Mixing

From the user experience information, it seems that mixing low quantities of alcohol and Kratom create mild effects, which in turn stimulate the user and enhance their mood. These effects are enhanced by the alcohol, and it does not seem to cause any negative effects. Overall, the general view of mixing the two products in question together at a low dose results in a feeling of relaxation, enabling the user to feel more, deeper, and stronger in their emotions.

At this level, there were no adverse reactions stated, though it is still not advised that you mix alcohol and Kratom extracts or powder, especially if you need to drive or operate heavy machinery – we don’t want any accidents!
Medium Dose Alcohol-Kratom Mixing

There are two effects regularly stated when alcohol and Kratom are combined at a mid-level, and they are very opposite. These can either be very positive in their result or awful, where side effects have included dizziness, lethargy, nausea, stomach ache, and vomiting, to name but a few. It appears that although the feeling of tiredness (lethargy) is commonly reported at this level, the more severe sedative inducing strains of Kratom are responsible for more of these unwanted side effects, such as the red vein Kratom strains.

We must keep in mind that all Kratoms strain strengths vary with some being increasingly more powerful than others, meaning that their effects will be exacerbated when combined with alcohol. Though, there is evidence that some users at this level, despite the potency of the Kratom used, did not experience any negative side effects at all. So it is difficult to apply one piece of information to all users.
High Dose Alcohol-Kratom Mixing

When two powerful individual substances are combined at a high level, the results will solely be negative. Consuming large quantities of alcohol either before or after Kratom is ingested can lead to similar reactions as an overdose, like fainting, headaches, nausea, and a spinning sensation.

It has been reported that if a user goes to sleep having combined alcohol and Kratom at this level, they will wake up feeling as if they have the mother of all hangovers because of the substance mix. There are very few positive reports from users who have consumed a high level of alcohol and Kratom at the same time.

Kratom Reddit reviews openly discuss how dangerous this level of combination is and therefore we strongly advise that you do not try it.
Alcohol-Kratom Dangers

We do not have a lot of research to prove the dangers of mixing alcohol with Kratom, but we can consider the dangers in a different way. Instead, we can look into the individual properties of each substance, which is actually more helpful than you perhaps realize. So let’s break it down.

Alcohol prevents the signals and messages sent by the nerve receptors from being recognized by the brain causing a block in the central nervous system. This is how alcohol becomes known as a depressant and affects the mood, movement, senses, and perceptions of a consumer.

Kratom, on the other hand, is able to both stimulate and sedate, which is why it would be ill-advised to combine it with depressant inducing alcohol.

Moderate daily consumption of alcohol equates to one drink for women and two drinks for men each day. When this alcohol, even in such moderate dosages, is combined with Kratom, the effects of the alcohol are significantly intensified and create results which last much longer. It may seem like a good idea at times, sometimes even fun, but actually combining these two individual components could be lethal.

When alcohol and Kratom are combined, the motor skills and coordination of the user are reduced, if not completely debilitated. Users who drink alcohol after they have used Kratom seem to find that Kratom’s effects are significantly dulled and they are left with a headache and a feeling of nausea. This is known as the Kratom-alcohol hangover.

If you are going to consume alcohol while you are using Kratom, it is advised that you only drink a very limited amount of alcohol to ensure your own safety.

Alcohol-Kratom Side Effects

When alcohol and Kratom are combined, there is a likelihood that the following can happen:

    Disrupted sleep
    Increased stress
    Dehydration
    Dizziness
    Feeling of tiredness
    Uncomfortable feeling
    Feeling sick
    A weakness of the body
    Discomfort of the stomach
    Respiratory challenges

Not all of these side effects will occur in all user, and the severity will alter as well. There is a distinct lack of research and findings when it comes to the symptoms, side effects, and damaging qualities of combining alcohol with Kratom because:

    Research solely to determine the outcome of mixing alcohol with Kratom has not been undertaken, and the research does not provide us with reliable evidence;
    The potency of Kratom strains is hugely varied with each stain creating side effects from mild to severe with users reacting differently;
    The variety of alcohol is enormous as is the power and content of alcohol;
    Kratom strains and drinks containing alcohol are both very subjective as everyone will have a personal preference as to what they prefer and the reasons behind their choices. Therefore, it can be said that low dosages of Kratom combined with a low amount of alcohol are unlikely to be damaging or cause you to need medical assistance. Whereas, high dosage combinations of the two will cause unwanted negative and dangerous side effects which should be avoided.

Alcohol Withdrawal and Kratom Use

There are very few reliable accounts that we can turn to when it comes to educating ourselves regarding the use of Kratom to assist with alcohol withdrawal.

The brain contains opioid receptors which need endorphins. Kratom stimulates this process without requiring the alcohol to be consumed. This makes Kratom as effective took for aiding with the cravings and side effects of withdrawing from alcohol.

GABA is a chemical found within the brain and is most commonly associated with decreasing an alcohol dependency. Kratom helps with the effects of this, though for severe alcoholics, the use of Kratom alone may not be enough to lessen the side effects of the withdrawal. In this case, anti-convulsants are required to prevent the withdrawer from having seizures which may occur when their levels of GABA become too low.

There are a wide array of neurotransmitters which can be affected by alcohol. This is because alcohol copies how GABA works, but at the same time, it exacerbates the levels of endorphins, dopamine, and serotonin. Endorphin is the natural opiate of the brain, which means that someone who is alcohol dependent breaks down alcohol in a different manner to someone who does not depend on alcohol to function. Alcohol dependents convert alcohol into an opiate known as THQ. This is a compound believed to have a potency considerable more substantial than that of morphine.

The brain releases endorphins which always respond to alcohol no matter how heavy a consumer the user is. For alcohol-dependent people, the endorphin release is the real draw and seems to be what an alcoholic is more addicted to.

When alcohol dependents take the step to withdraw, using Kratom to assist this process can be very helpful, as the endorphins reduced from the lack of alcohol are replaced by endorphins release by Kratom instead.

Kratom is nowhere near as addictive as alcohol can be, and it has been proven that withdrawing from Kratom is a lot easier than withdrawing from alcohol.

There are multiple different plants which can help with alcohol withdrawal, cravings, and side effects, but Kratom seems to be one of the most effective herbal solutions.
Alcohol and Kratom

Before mixing alcohol and Kratom, we would advise you not to do so as it puts your health at risk. If you choose to combine them, then you should use lower dosages so as to avoid unknown, unpredictable, and potentially fatal effects.

If you suffer from alcoholism and are looking into how Kratom can help manage your withdrawal symptoms, please know that Kratom is a useful and effective way of achieving this. To gain the most success from using Kratom as an alcohol withdrawal aid, begin on a low dose of Kratom so as to avoid any further adverse side effects.

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Abaac 
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Si je comprend bien ton message Rick, on en sais rien.
Certain pense que c'est toxique d'autre non.
C'est vrai comme dit dans ton post que le combo crée une sédation intense.
Et pour ce qui est de là giga guelle de bois je confirme (mais c'est moins désagréable qu'une vrai guelle de bois) le lendemain on se réveil vaseux et fatigué mais sans nausée ni mots de tete. Par contre j'ai fait une sacrée nuit ( coucher à 2h00 du matin, levée à 17h30 LOL )

Pour ce qui est du combo kratom + canabis vous pouvez y allez les yeux fermés c'est plutôt safe. Et j'ai pas l'impression que l'un pentotialise les effets de l'autre.

D'autre report sur d'autres mélange Avec le kratom? Quelqu'un a déjà tester avec des champi ou du lsd?
Avec de la md?

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