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Ghb a des effets sur l'hormone de croissance


#1 04 Nov 2016 à 15:07

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Ghb a des effets sur l'hormone de croissance

https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158181
https://thinksteroids.com/articles/ghb- … ybuilders/

Le ghb a aussi des effets hormonaux , d'où son utilisation chez les bodybuilders qui prennent des doses plutôt faibles pour augmenter la masse musculaire ou faire fondre leurs graisses lors de leurs dietes.. env 1 à 2,5g avant de dormir  (car des doses trop hautes sont moins efficace pour le bonus hormonal)

J'ai mis une quote pour la source, on peut voir que ça double la production de certaines hormones de croissances ! yikes

Le Ghb est un puissant anti oxydent d'après laborit et faudrait faire une étude sur des humains pour voir si ça allonge l’espérance de vie aussi chez nous smile. Comment utiliser la substance, quelle dosage etc..


H.Laborit disait aussi que c'était puissant anti-ischémique.. il voulait tester le ghb pour des patients qui avaient parkison ou qui étaient accros à la morphine. Enfin il a eu beaucoup d'idées..

Après si le sujet vous intéresse vous pouvez lire ce qu'il a écrit ..C'est un..français !
L'éloge de la fuite est particulièrement apprécié au sein de mon cercle d'amis, il a été très prolifique et nous sommes nombreux à penser que c'est un véritable génie. 



a propos des hormones de croissance a écrit:

NOTE: GH = Groth Hormone = hormone(s) de croissance
GHB and growth hormone

Among the bodybuilding community, the fact that GHB induces a strong release of GH has done more to popularize this compound that any of its other effects. However as we will see later, I do not think the GH release is the major reason why bodybuilders keep using GHB.

GHB is very different from many other GH releasers such as amino acids. With the latter, high doses are required and the scientific literature does not report consistent results. Very little GHB is needed to induce a strong GH release — and this GH response to GHB administration is consistent in the scientific literature. Furthermore, unlike with amino acids, oral GHB works very well.

The latest study to date reported a 2-fold increase in the amount of secreted GH with only 2.5 grams of oral GHB in humans [5]. Higher doses (3 to 3.5 grams) failed to induce a higher GH release. Unlike with higher doses, the 2.5 grams amount did not produce any side effects. So, this should serve as a scientific basis as a safe dosage for bodybuilders. This is also approximately what bodybuilders were using instinctively.

Gamma-OH contains 2.42 grams of sodium GHB, which means 2 grams of pure GHB. Drinking 2 vials at a time would be too much. On the other hand, if you have access to a generic brand, you may have an easier time fine tuning your daily intake. You can take GHB once or twice a day. Of course, the main occasion to take GHB is at night, but an extra morning intake is also very popular in Europe in addition of the nocturnal use.

Some dieters stack GHB with Clonidine (an alpha 2 adrenoceptor agonist — that is the opposite of Yohimbine) which is another known GH releaser in an attempt to induce an even stronger GH surge. I do not recommend this stack. It is unhealthy, as many interactions between GHB and Clonidine could develop. Also I doubt that the GH release shows much increase with both agents, as GHB alone should bring us toward the maximal upper limit of release already.

Travaux scientifique, laborit, article wikipedia a écrit:

En tant que chirurgien, Henri Laborit s'intéresse à la qualité de l'anesthésie et plus particulièrement à la neuroleptanalgésie, ce qui le conduit à deux premières grandes découvertes :

    de 1950 à 1952, il met au point la technique de l'hibernation artificielle, qui va révolutionner la chirurgie ;
    en 1951, il introduit la 4560 RP chlorpromazine, le premier neuroleptique au monde. Cette molécule, commercialisée sous le nom de Largactil, est utilisée dans le traitement de la schizophrénie.

Il s'oriente par la suite vers l'étude des mécanismes liés au stress. En 1958, il crée le laboratoire d’eutonologie2. Il y travaille avec son équipe à l’hôpital Boucicaut et en est le directeur jusqu'à sa mort.

En même temps, il dirige la revue Agressologie3 jusqu'en 1983.

Il donne sa vraie importance à la névroglie ou ensemble de cellules gliales, et aux radicaux libres, bien avant leur irruption dans la presse radio-télévisée et même dans la presse scientifique. Il est également le premier à utiliser le GHB, en médecine, au début des années 1960, ce qui a ouvert la voie à bien d'autres molécules de synthèse encore plus performantes.

En 1968, il publie son premier ouvrage de vulgarisation, Biologie et structure (ISBN 2070351564). Il écrit par la suite une trentaine d'œuvres dédiées à la philosophie scientifique et à la nature humaine.

De 1978 à 1983, il est professeur invité de bio-psycho-sociologie à l’Université du Québec, où il donne des cours en alternance avec son adjoint le Dr Bernard Weber, physiologiste et collaborateur au CEPEBPE, son laboratoire à Boucicaut[réf. souhaitée].

En 1989, il accepte la présidence de l'Institut de Psychosomatique de Turin. La même année et jusqu'en 1992, il occupe une chaire de professeur à l'Université Européenne de Lugano en Suisse Italienne.

Henri Laborit est aussi l'un des pionniers de la théorie de la complexité, initiateur de la pensée complexe et de l'auto-organisation du vivant par l'introduction de la cybernétique et de la systémique par sa participation au Groupe des dix.

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Re: Ghb a des effets sur l'hormone de croissance

alors la, merci pour l'info !

en gros  dans ce que tu dis, le GHB à très faible dose est plutôt bon pour santé ? ou je me trompe ?

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Re: Ghb a des effets sur l'hormone de croissance

salut !

alors pour le gbl on a eu un test où les rats vivaient plus longtemps avec le gbl que sans :
http://www.ceri.com/q_v7n4q1.htm

pour le ghb je ne sais pas, il faudrait une étude sur l'être humain... Sinon pour le bodybuilding j'entends de tout et son contraire sur le ghb, dans les topics que j'ai lu depuis. Même les bodybuilders semblent parfois utiliser le ghb pour dormir uniquement (et faire du muscle en dormant bien) car il semblerait que certains suppléments typique de ce spport rendent le sommeil difficile..


fat bugger 8g par nuit a écrit:

These are just subjective thoughts on the effects of GBL/GHB and Growth Hormone.
He has no indepth knowledge of how GBL/GHB works.

He has experience with GBL and GHB, they have the same effect, but he prefers GBL due to legality and quicker effects.

Here his thoughts on only(!) two nightly 2,5 ml doses. Each dose lets him sleep for a good and rejuvenating 3,5-4 hours.

Growth Hormone is released naturally while sleeping and he boosts this effect with GHB/GBL.
He has experience with injecting Growth Hormone and can compare this to 4IU of daily GH injections.

He experiences:

-quicker recuperation after training sessions. Although some say that its seems to inhibit wounds somewhat, he experiences the opposite. He recovers far quicker and his skin,nails and hair grow faster.
So his guess is that wounds should heal faster..
-skin related issues have always bin a problem for him as takes weekly doses of testosterone.
But after a week on nightly dosing he has no spots.
-hair growth is thicker and grows faster. This could be a problem for people how are already really hairy and especially on Testosterone.
-extreme fatloss overnight!
-he has a slight Gynomascia on his left side which doesn't get better, he even feels it to get a little worse.
My friend is guessing Progesterone might be a culprit. Does GBL/GHB have any effect on this?

With this nightly Usage he has never experience tolerance or withdrawal symtoms like jitters or anxiety.
Quite the opposite. The releasing of Dopamin/Adrenalin boosts his mood and gets him better out of bed.
Low energy Problems have always been a problem for he is on a Low carb diet.
This good mood lingers for the rest of the day.
But with higher Protein and milk intake acidity can be a problem! I trink my GBL/GHB with Water and an alkalanizing ball, that and alkalanizing food (Fruit) helps!

He has tried on weekends adding another 3rd Dose to sleep longer but he feels this is too much of the goodness smile for he experiences slight jitters and anxiety once the Dopamin/Adrenalin hits but aliviates after about 5 or 6 hours without another dose.

He does throw away the 250 ml GBL bottle at the 70 to 50 ml mark because he does feel the effects of sleep deprivation. Also the effects of Growth Hormone diminish somewhat by then. But by then you would have extremly change your physique.
He doesn't feel anxious or jitters while going off cold turkey but he wont sleep naturally for a couple of days.

These are his thoughts on GBL/GHB at 2 nightly doses.
It is the only drug that shows real use for him. As an Anti Aging product like injecting Growth Hormone but with an added anti anxiety fix and good mood.

Fatbugger added 12 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

I forgot the socalled thickskin effect which is in fact is just water under this skin. Growth Hormone has this effect to the whole body. It will also make your face, hands, feet and lips puffy looking. I've had problems getting my marriage ring off my finger. smile

https://drugs-forum.com/threads/a-bodyb … hb.200729/

fat bugger [label=/sujet/experience a écrit:

experience[/label] gbl bodybuilding]Hi,

I know 30 year old bodybuilder who has been taking GBL on and off for a couple of months now and is very eager to share his experience with it.
Especially after reading this GHB/GBL section front to back a couple of times..
He agrees with alot but not with everything.
Although he has just recently switched to GHB, which by the way he feels ok..*coughcough..not as much fun but has an ever so much more "healthier" feeling to it..but that later on.
But because he has way more Gbl experience, here it is..

Swim is 1.75 m tall and weighs around 87 kilos with a bodyfatpercentage of 3,5 % ...thx to GBL..
He's also been injecting 500 mg of Testosterone Enanthat once a week for a couple of months now.
Swim took 2-2,5 ml of Gbl twice a night to sleep and 1,5 ml- 2 ml once or twice in the afternoon. Though he has "binged" every now and then with it over the afternoon and evening.
At the moment he just takes GHB twice a night to sleep.
Of course the first couple of weeks was great. The dopamine withdrawal symtoms which later on became a bitch was in the begininng (while "fresh") just great!
Swim also has experience with daily injections with 4iu and 6iu of growth homones over months.
The first thing he noticed was the feeling of having elevated growth hormone levels. The resemblence to injecting growth hormones was amazing and not due to imagination! I know its something that has just been talked and written about but I believe never properly studied.
He noticed as with GH the "puffy" face, hands and feet and of course a dramatic loss in bodyfat. I believe the testosterone and gallons of fluid and water (yes really) he has been drinking works synergistically with gbl and may result in this effect.
And of course the feeling of "well-beeing" smile
Swim took Gbl many times with multivitamin powder and water, even mixed it with Whey Proteinpowder and water which didn't seem a problem..
The downside with gbl was a horrible shiny and oily skin, especially during the withdrawalperiods!! Absolutly terrible! This he also had with Phenibut and guesses its a Gaba thing..
Swim has also been through Opiat withdrawals and thex do differ. Even the "sweats" differ between opiats and gaba drugs.
Anyway back to gbl..and somehow a yellowish tinge to the skin which also doesn't seem that healthy. Also while "binging" an unhealthy feeling in and around organs.
This he doesn't have with GHB by the way..
Even while drinking gallons of water the GBL still seem to wreck havoc, not so much on the teeth but definetly on the gums! They reddend and receded quite dramatically..
This problem he of course didn't have with GHB..
Swim believes GBL to be a great and cheap alternative to growth hormone! Although he would highly recommend swithing to GHB!!!
And if a must just use it nightly!
The more often you use the less fun you'll have with it!!
Even though swim never fully used 24/7 he still got the feeling where the usage was headed and where it could end..
He definetly feels sorry for the people who took and take it that far.:confused:
You have to space out the use of GBL. At least 6 hours.
Swim himself noticed while spacing out the usage, after "overdoing" it a couple of days the evil withdrawal symthoms after usage would shorten very quickly. First you would feel bad all the way till the next dose, then "just" 4 hours until the next dose....and so on.
Swim believes the body can recuperate (even if slowly) without fully quitting if you start spacing out the doses!
Thats why just use it nights.
Of course.. if you have to..smile
Anyway...I somehow feel better now after posting. Don't know why.. *laugh Swim should feel better..
Hope my english is ok.
Any questions just ask.:thumbsup:

Fatbugger added 3 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...

Oh, and I forgot really dark pee from GBL. Even while drinking loads..

https://drugs-forum.com/threads/gbl-a-b … ad.131493/

"175lb Male
2.25g (haven't used GHB in over 10 years)

After a long days sleep, I got up and went out to dinner with my lady. No alcohol was consumed on my end. Upon coming home and not feeling well I weighed up 2.25g on NaGHB and waited for my tummy to feel better before dissolving the salt in Orange Juice. Down the hatch it went. The taste of the Oj was not off at all. I then called my girlfriend to the bedroom where she began giving me head and this led to her riding my cock for at least 20 minutes. By the time the finish line was crossed I was beginning to feel the light headed euphoric effects. While laying on my bed I passed out and awoke 4 hours later.

Perhaps 2.25 grams is the perfect amount of for this weight/tolerance to induce sleep. There is no way I needed to catch up on sleep that bad that I just fell out that easily, but perhaps the combination 2.25g on of a full stomach and sex for desert exasperated this function? IDk.

The taste of the NaGHB salt is not as salty as I remember it being 15 years or so ago. It was pH'd properly and yielded a nice fluffy salt that seems slightly hygroscopic, but has not fully dried.

Upon waking up, a slight dizziness and very mild disorientation occurred for a few minutes as I made sense of what had just occurred. I had a vivid dream of two old friends who were my best friends at one time. I also had that asian guy from the hangover movie in my dream and we were staying in a fancy hotel and I wanted my old friends who whom were all brothers I hadn't seen in ages to come to my room to take pictures with "the guy from that thing" commercial. If you live in the U.S you know what I am talking about. In the end I awoke, startled, because in my dream the one brother told me that Mike had been spending a lot of time with some fitness instructor at the hotel who is gay.. " I then woke up in sweats. Partly because my body needed a Lortab, and partly because I was in shock.

I generally don't remember my dreams. This here; was interetesting. Anytime I get to spend with old friends that I miss dearly, whether it is fighting online about how shit played out a decade ago, or in my dreams.. I am cool with it and appreciate seeing their faces. I just took this drug thing to a whole new level and they couldn't comprehend my language anymore. I still love them and am proud of all their successes.

Glad you posted this, and I am glad I was able to reply. NaGHB from Sandmeyer rxn. Stealth and sweet. Don't fuck this thing up.. use responsibly.. it's too good."

https://drugs-forum.com/threads/ghb-experiences.233855/

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#4 20 Feb 2017 à 18:02

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Re: Ghb a des effets sur l'hormone de croissance

Yo,
Je l'avais déjà souligné dans mon post, le gbl est un anabolisant contrairement au merde d'alcool qu'il nous vendent partout qui eux sont des catabolisants. donc en gros un qui reconstruit et l'autre qui détruit. mais évidemment prendre et mettre des boissons avec du G reviendrais a faire couler un empire alcoolique de plusieurs millénaire et plusieurs billard de dollars et ce pareil pour les médicament.

Amicalement

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